1909 Locomobile Toy Tonneau, Rebuild Improvements for Reliability

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:52 pm

All this time at home while we fend off the spread of Coronavirus COVINT-19 pandemic, I decided to open up the crate that contains my original Locomobile Model L radiator. Attached you will see a few pictures of what I have. I am after a "TIP" on a good source for purchasing annealed (soft) brass sheet. The reason for my need is that both sides of the radiator have some damage, nothing structural or operational just cosmetic work to look nice. I see no problem forming the new side panels and simply do a new install. Share your thoughts and ideas...
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:59 pm

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:44 am

Does anyone here understand the working dynamics of these antique automobile square cellular radiators with the horizontal baffle plates? Is the baffle plate hollow to allow for more even water distribution or is there another purpose that I am not aware of? What is your advice?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:48 am

Still looking for a "TIP" for a source for "soft" yellow sheet brass so I can start cosmetic repairs to the Locomobile radiator.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by cudaman » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:43 am

I don't know how soft it is, but I have obtained sheets of brass from Hobby Lobby. They carry sheets of various thicknesses. If the sheets are too hard, I suppose you could anneal them to a softer state.

https://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbi ... 22/p/21622

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:13 am

Cudaman, Thanks for the "TIP" to the reference for Hobby Lobby as a source for sheet brass. I will verify the thickness I need and give them a try.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:49 pm

This Pandemic.....not much fun for sure! I do get to spend a little more time but this is also farm season and I am tuning up an old orchard also. (Of course I am complying with the social distancing requirement). I thought I would post a few pictures of the original rear axle for the 1909 Locomobile. My year and Model was the first year that Locomobile marketed a shaft drive car and they meant business! This unit is very robust. (I stored it upside down for stability purposes, the springs keep it from rocking).
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:17 am

Here is another view of the Locomobile rear axle. Looking for "TIP" or ideas for replacing the original U-joint with something that may be available.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:21 am

Here is another view of the Locomobile rear axle. Looking for "TIP" or ideas for replacing the original U-joint with something that may be available. The original is a sliding roller design and is prone to wear and looseness. I suppose when this assembly is opened up for inspection and repair, machine work could be performed on the pinion shaft to allow installation of a more conventional u-joint. Share your thoughts....
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:06 am

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This picture shows the configuration of an early "full floating" design used by Locomobile in 1909. You can also see the rear brake configuration which is internal expanding and external contracting on the brake drum. Any "TIPS" for sourcing new brake linings and fitting to the new cast iron brake drums that I have had cast and machined?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:21 pm

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This picture shows the nice little "jacking foot" cast into the rear axle housing so the car can be jacked up without causing damage. The aluminum backing or dust shield is shown also. The Backing plate will need to be replaced on both sides. I have cut the aluminum material to fit but will be one of the last things to install before I mount the wheels.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:59 am

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This picture shows the reach arms used to adjust the tracking of the rear axle (to stop the dog tracking).
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:48 pm

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This picture shows the fitting to the left of the input pinion that is provision for the round torque arm. That unit controls wheel hop when under acceleration.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:21 am

I will share a "TIP" that relates to the rear axle pictures above. The last picture I described the anti rotation bar to stop the wheel hop. I will show the torque spring assembly that I have cleaned up. This piece fits on the front of the anti rotation bar and is connected to the bar with a "yoke' casting, to the shown bolt and to the frame with another bracket that attaches to the top boss with a through hole. This unit , when assembled, is a functional flex joint to allow for a small amount of controlled motion. The "TIP" is it is good to see the whole picture of how an assembly fits together, (much better than going into a project blind).
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:35 pm

Here is another part of the "TIP" suggested in the above above posting. This picture shows the affect of many years outside in an arid, dry climate. Note: no serious pitting like is common on frames left out in the east and south where the humidity and rain fall is high. This view is looking at the Locomobile frame from the back and focusing on the rear (one of two transmission cross members). You will see two holes in this cross member. It is those holes that are the mounting position for the bracket that I am missing that mounts the frame side of the torque arm spring assembly from the rear end. Secondly, if you look close, you will see the Locomobile front axle laying under the frame where the engine would mount. You will see that it has taken a hit and will need to be straightened. I need a "TIP" on how to build the missing bracket and hold the torque spring assembly at the proper elevation. Help me if you can.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:23 am

Here is the "TIP" of the day. I am just starting the process to have some Locomobile tags reproduced in the lost wax method. I will show each of the three pieces that I am starting with, (more pieces for duplication will come later). Contact me if you have a need now or possibly have a need in the future.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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