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Cameron engine parts

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:20 am
by ModelTMatt1914
I have a 1909 Cameron six cylinder air cooled engine, and I am looking for parts. I am wondering if anybody knows where I could find some , or someone that could cast new ones? I am new to the posting side of the forum, but have enjoyed reading posts for the last couple of years off and on. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks. Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:32 am
by alsfarms
Hello Matt, Can you be a bit more specific as to what you would like to source for your Cameron? Depending upon what you need we may be able to head you in one direction or another. Have you figured out how to post pictures? I for one, would like to see what you are dealing with, in picture form. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:51 am
by ModelTMatt1914
It is a six cylinder air cooled , and I am missing the center two cylinders , and everything that go's with them. Example : intake and exhaust manifolds, ( the valves are in the manifolds) , pistons, rods, rocker arms. Most of the engine is in good shape considering where is been and coming from. The two cam shafts are a little rough and the two cam shaft timing gears are gone.

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:00 am
by ModelTMatt1914
Hi Al thanks for replying. I see that you are from Utah. We are almost neighbors , I live in south east Idaho. While we are talking of parts needed I have many other projects that also need attention. I have a Jumbo transmission tha needs a sliding gear. It is a TT truck transmission with direct and under only. I am also working on a set of Firestone wood follow wheels and am in need of , a demountable rim and the triangle wedge that go's under the lugs. Many other projects too, but no time or money. But that is life. Thanks for your time.
Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:17 pm
by alsfarms
Hello Matt, You did a nice job with posting your pictures. Do you know the bore and stroke of your engine? That is a very peculiar side valve design! So you don't bite off more than you can chew, what would be your first item to locate or have recast? You are are missing rods, jugs, valve arms etc. I would probably encourage you to dismantle the engine, clean, label and inspect everything. I would then look at those pieces that can be fabricated and do them first. Repair the stuff that needs repair, just to make sure that you have a viable start to an engine. If the rods are not real "odd", see if something can be retrofitted. I would do that in an attempt to cut down on the cost of having new ones cast or machined. You would than have a set of 6 matching rods for your engine. Do you have any contacts in the Foundry business there in So. East Idaho? When you get ready, I have a couple of good Foundry contacts here in Utah. Are you near Preston? What size Firestone wheels are you building? I have a few left over Firestone pieces and maybe I can help you out. Are you also building a "T" or"TT"?
Alan

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:23 am
by ModelTMatt1914
The bore is 3.875 and the stroke is 4" I think I would like to start with the bottom end , find or have rods made rebabbitt the mains and rods. Then go to that point. I am not in a hurry I am expecting it to take years. I do not have any contacts in the foundry biz. I live in Franklin, just south of preston. My Firestone wheels are 30 x 3 1/2 I want them on a model T. I have a 1914 model T that I am hoping to put the Jumbo on. I have a ruckstell , but I love the twelve rivet rear end , so I am leaning toward the jumbo. I also have a 1912 hybrid model T '26 engine and rear end, and early twenty's frame it is in the very early beginnings of restoration. Engine bored valves and lifters done, rear end done. I have a Chicago mark E tranny in it. That is the car I would like the Firestone wheels on.

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:24 am
by ModelTMatt1914
Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it.
Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:21 pm
by alsfarms
Matt, PM sent
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:10 pm
by alsfarms
Hello Matt,
I have posted you a PM.
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:57 pm
by HOWIE32
ModelTMatt1914 wrote:I have a 1909 Cameron six cylinder air cooled engine, and I am looking for parts. I am wondering if anybody knows where I could find some , or someone that could cast new ones? I am new to the posting side of the forum, but have enjoyed reading posts for the last couple of years off and on. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks. Matt
MATT: I' M just new to all this computer stuff, and I'M sorry for not returning an answer to your request sooner, but this computer was off line for two weeks and my son finally got it fixed, it was the suppliers fault and they corrected it! I wanted to tell you that I just completed the restoration of my 1907 CAMERON Fire Chiefs Special , the only one in the world! Mine is four cylinder, so I don't know of any parts available for your six cylinder car. If you like I can send you photos of my car, it only took me eight years to complete, I'M a do it yourself person! So I know what you are facing and hopefully I can be of help along the way.There are so few surviving CAMERONS it is very important to network in order to find anything. How ever I do recall that there was an ad in the Hemmings Motor News about 3 --- 4 years ago from someone down in Virginia or WV who had a whole box of parts in the barn, so I would suggest that you place an ad with Hemmings to see if you can locate parts. Also I would like to say that I do have an extra copy of. "THE CAMERON STORY" by Beverly Rae Kimes. and Wm. T. Cameron (no relation to the Cameron brothers). If you wish I 'all send you the copy. I would need to charge you, $50.00 to cover my investment and shipping costs. Email: ogie32@icloud.com.Good Luck with the project. Howie.

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:08 am
by alsfarms
Hello Matt, What is the latest progress report on your Cameron engine?
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:06 am
by ModelTMatt1914
Al
I have had one of the busiest summers that I have ever had. With that being said I have little to report, I have located replacement rods, thanks to your advice. A Model T rod has the exact center to center as the Cameron rod. The journal on the Cameron is larger , but with a little work on the T rod I think it will work great. The engine is disassembled cleaned and ready for new mains. I believe the Cameron engine used some kind of cap for the main bearings and rod bearings. I have found no evidence of a poured bearing. I have know way to make caps so the mains and rods will be poured Babbitt.

How goes the search for a 302?


Thanks for the help. Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:35 am
by alsfarms
Hello Matt, Could you post a few pictures of a Model T and Cameron rod side by side? I would like to see how they compare. How does the OD of the Cameron crank rod journals compare to that of the Model T? I would have no problem with poured babbitt bearings in the Cameron. Have you had the crank out yet to have the journals checked for wear and also checked for straightness and stress cracks? You should be close to having the crankcase cleaned out so you can evaluate for wear and damage also. Do you have a local source for doing your babbitt work? I am happy to say that I have procured a civilian 302 GMC engine for my dump truck. I just need to decide when to get after the rebuild of that engine as I have a couple of "antique" priorities that come before work on the GMC. I have been getting stuff together for a rebuild on an early "T Head" Wisconsin engine and have just acquired replacement rods for the two missing rods. I actually think that I have enough parts to begin the rebuild and that is GOOD!
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:41 am
by ModelTMatt1914
Howie
I am so exited to know that there is someone who knows what a Cameron is. I would love to see your Cameron. I have done a lot of internet searching for Cameron's with very little success and just a hand full of photos. I wonder if the bore and stroke on a four cylinder is the same as a six? The sales brochures make the top end of the four and six look the same, and the horse power figures would indicate a similar displacement. Just a thought that four and six cylinder top end parts maybe would interchange.
Thanks for replying , sorry I was slow in responding.
Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:51 am
by ModelTMatt1914
Al
I will try and get a pic of the two rods together by tomorrow I don't think I will be home at all today. The Cameron crank is a little bigger than the T I don't remember how much. The Cameron crank looks really good in the first inspection the journals are near perfect round. I was thinking of having it ground just to ease the Babbitt work. I do my own Babbitt work on the rods and mains on model T and A's with a Gene French fixture. I will have to get creative on the Cameron mains because the front and back main caps are part of the oil pan, and not a separate cap.
Matt

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:04 am
by alsfarms
Hello Matt, How adjustable/adaptable is the French fixture you refer to? Does it only like sizes that are near to what a Model T or A would be?
Al

Re: Cameron engine parts

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:29 am
by john88
The various parts of the engine are rare. But it's not impossible to find. I was grateful that I came to see, welcome.
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