Installing A Starter Motor

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:39 am

Hello Mark,
I assume that the car in restoration is your Model 17 Buick touring car? You are doing a nice job on it. Did you or someone else do your body work? The red Model 16 Buick is more similar to my Locomobile. How do you activate the disc brake you installed on your drive-line? Is it only an emergency item or do you consider it a running brake? I have not got to that point with my restoration to consider some form of brake betterment. Maybe you could post a picture on this string or start another Restoration Tip on brakes and post a few pictures there.
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:43 am

Phil, I have not yet received my March-April Gazette yet to read the article you refer to above. I am anxious to see what has been completed successfully as to stater installation. I will have the Dodge Bros. starter/generator in my hot hands towards the end of next week, then I can get real serious with my installation.
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by markIV » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:11 pm

Hi Al,
Yes, the car in restoration is mine.
It's been a long process.
The body & sheet metal is as I bought it.
The disc brake on the drive line is the service brake activated by the brake pedal. I have the drum brakes on the rear wheels for the hand brake.
I will start a new thread on the disc brake install.

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:38 pm

Hello Mark, Did your Buick originate in Colorado? You are getting to the fun stage of your restoration.
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by MochetVelo » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:25 am

Well, I did learn from Howard Hodson that a belt-operated starter motor only will not work, as it cannot withstand the speed of rotation. A motor-generator, however, is designed to turn quickly (above 12,000 rpm).

Phi

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by markIV » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:52 am

Hi Al,
I bought my Buick in the Bay area so it is not a Colorado car. You're right I'm to the fun part of the restoration. I'm planning on touring it this season & then tearing it back apart for paint. Can you post some pictures of your Locomobile? That has always been my favorite marques. How far along are you with your restoration?
Mark

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:59 am

Hello Phil, I have also determined that to run a starter only, you should go to the trouble of installing a ring gear. That lets the starter dis-engage from the flywheel after starting. I will have the Dodge Bros. starter/generator home, shortly, so I can work on my second iteration of the belt drive starter/generator installation. I certainly hope that my Loco. engine does not overwhelm the Dodge Bros. unit.
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:05 am

Hello Mark, When you engage the starter, in order to start your Buick, does the gear reduction aspect of your starter turn your engine slower than a starter in a modern car or about the same? Where did you mount your starter solenoid? I started with a real labor of love on my Locomobile. I did not set any goal for completion as I had to have many castings built. I am just now getting to the fun part of my restoration. I am very near a first start on my engine after rebuild. Body is built, lights are just about ready to go, hood replicated, wheels done. I am just entering the "fun" stage after many years. I will post a picture of the car when new as shown at the Locomobile factory near Bridgeport, Conn.
Al
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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:11 am

Mark, I answered my own question, the starter you used is designed like a GM stater and has the solenoid mounted with the starter. Nice clean unit and small!
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by markIV » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:59 am

Hi Al,
The starter cranks the big 4 cylinder like a modern car.
After some carb & magneto issues I have corrected, it starts very easily.
It doesn't have a hand crank right now but when I tear it down for paint I will be able to install one.
I would really rather hand crank whenever possible.
It sounds like your Locomobile is coming along nicely.
I still would love to see some progress photos.
It is such a beautiful car.
Mark

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:59 pm

Does anyone else have experience installing a starter or starter/generator on antique auto? Please share your experiences here.
Al

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Re: Installing A Starter Motor

Post by alsfarms » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:47 am

Do any Dodge Bros. guys frequent this forum? I would like to get an opinion or two regarding the Dodge Bros. starter/generator.
Al

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