Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:00 am

Back to my check valve spring dilemma. A friend from NY has supplied me with a pair of springs that are .010 smaller in wire cross section than the original springs, that came in my check valves. Attached is a picture that will allow a comparison between the the two springs. The new lighter duty spring is on the left while the black and heavier spring is on the right. If anyone here is running a similar early type pressure fuel delivery system respond with your tips and advice.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:44 pm

Here is a picture of grease fittings for the suspension and cross shaft lubrication points. I wanted to have a full matching set and a good share of the original grease fittings were either damaged or missing. The brass cap is not yet finished, I have made provision to install a modern grease zerk in the body to make sure that I get grease where I want it and stop on the mess. The brass cap will be machined to be very close to the original "Pinch Top" design. I can't think of a real simple way of finishing the tops sort of simply setting up in a milling machine and going after it. If anyone has a tip or bit of good advice, share. These parts and a bunch of other small pieces have occupied my time during our long cold and snowy winters. I am not yet done........
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:46 pm

Here is a picture of the internals of the grease fitting. This same basic design is also incorporated into the full set of new shackle pins I machined out to allow for greasing the shackle pin bushings.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:46 pm

Here is a picture of the original front spring showing the forged front frame eye and also the mounting location for the alignment clip that is to be riveted to one of the secondary springs. Sadly, both of the main leafs and a good share of the secondary leafs paid a heavy price for our poor quality roads in the early 1900's and are broken or are beyond repair. (I have had all new springs built).
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:52 pm

Here's a picture of one of the new spring stacks, that were built to replace my messed up original springs. My question is this, how is the best way to go about mounting the riveted in spring alignment clip. I guess I could simply just duplicate the position on the new spring, drill the hole in the proper position, then counter sink the bottom to allow for the riveting process to firmly attach the clip to the spring. If you have a bit of a Tip or Advice, share.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:45 pm

Al did this come originally with a hand pressure pump? If so where did the factory mount it? Cheers Pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:22 pm

Hello Pete, Are you still enjoying a delightful winter? The good thing about our winter just lousy enough to keep me inside this year is I have been getting things/parts/systems together on the fuel delivery system, springs/suspension and fender brackets. To answer your question, not much was standard on these old cars! I have seen pressure pumps mounted through the fire wall, between the front passenger and driver and also on the outside of the body, in my case the right side of the body. The earlier touring cars had the tank under the seat for a gravity feed. My body style has a lower seat height so it makes gravity feed just a bit iffy, especially if the car may see hills and mountains, (yeah Utah). I am leaning towards mounting the manual pump on the right side of the body and where it can be pumped either from the drivers seat or from the ground as I get ready to start the car from a cold condition. Do you have any thoughts or "Tips" on this subject?
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:51 pm

Al this winter has not been too bad at all up here snow wise but the temp it has been very cold.However spring is around the corner.Is your car center or outside shift? Maybe a couple of pics would help.I have a 13 model T speedster that runs a pressure fuel system and I mounted that in the floor centrally but it is low to the ground and the seats are low in the car.cheers Pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:56 pm

Hello Pete, Do you have a secondary provision for making pressure for your "T" Speedster or only the hand pump. My car is right hand drive with the shifter being on the outside of the right frame rail. Post a picture so I can see your pump arrangement. I do not want the pump in the way, inconvenient or not accessible. That is a mouth full!
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:01 pm

Al only the hand pump.I built the car in primer,ran it for a couple of years then took it apart to paint.Paint work now finished and reassembly will start in a couple of months,so no pictures at this time cheers p

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Hello Pete, Does your Speedster only run with pressure from the hand pump or will it also run with gravity? I understand about the car being in pieces! Mine has been apart for way to many years while I raised children, worked for a living and all the other things that get in the way. Does your T have wood wheels or wire wheels? My brother has a T speedster that he fit disc wheels to, just to be different.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:18 am

Here is a picture of a pattern for the radiator cap. I plan to get a rubber mold made from this hard pattern, then pour a couple of them in a modern Bakelite product. I will then build a new brass cap that fits the radiator fill fitting and epoxy the two together.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:51 am

I am starting the process to get a "Home Brew" wood steaming system up and running so I can steam bend my own top bows and a few other sundry items. Does anyone here have any "Tips and Advice" or experience doing home brew steaming of wood for bending?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:17 am

Here is a picture of a page out of the original Loocmobile Owner and Service handbook that shows all the lubrication points on the Locomobile running gear.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Like most of us old car "nuts", seems we always have our eyes open and looking for something! I was checking out EBAY, lately, and ran across this Locomobile script air pressure gauge. This one is more suited for my vintage Locomobile than is the white background gauge shown above. I had planned to use the white background gauge until the silver background gauge showed up and I was able to purchase it. Does anyone have a good "Tip or Advice" on how to clean the silver background without harming the plating?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 am

I will post three pictures of the Rushmore Carbide Generator that will be used on the 1909 Locomobile. It is in very good original condition. This is a front view
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 am

This is a view of the Rushmore ID tag.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:30 am

Last, this is a top view of the Rushmore generator. Please note the stamped in ID number; B 3041. I need a "Tip or Advice" on what the numbers mean and if they are series or date related. Does anyone here have any Rushmore information or literature?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:26 am

This picture shows my same Locomobile in factory sales literature, (right side of car). Notice the placement of the Rushmore Carbide Generator, horn and spare tire mounts. It also appears that in 1909 smooth white tires were used. Original pictures from factory literature is an aid in restoring our cars as they give us many "Tips and Advice" on what we need to do.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:33 am

Here is a second thought that I take as a "Tip" for setting up a car during the restoration process. This image shows the orientation of the triple twist horn with the bell up, not down like some folks would suggest. I really don't think it matters other than what I see in this picture is how I will set up my car. Also note that this car is a 1909, which shows the rear fenders with no lip or skirting around the periphery of the fender. This trait is only on the 1909 and earlier 1910 Locomobile 30. (I think the 40 is the same also).
Al

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