Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:51 pm

Hello Pete and Phil,
Thanks for your "Tips and Advice" regarding copper crush gaskets. Maybe I am being plenty fussy on this subject! But I do want to minimize the chance of mechanical failure any place I can. It is probably not a big deal as these old "T" head engines at most are low compression. As such, gasket blow out is a different issue on the "T" head as compared to a high compression 1957 Corvette engine!
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:54 am

Al that is the exact reason I went with solid copper rings cheers pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:47 am

Pete, Do you use any type of gasket sealer with your solid gaskets when doing an install or do you put the gaskets in dry?
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:03 pm

Al make sure all surfaces are clean and assemble dry. I also made my own socket and used a 1/2 drive power bar(johnson bar). Don’t like striking wrenches that you were looking at in the earlier posts cheers pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:20 pm

Hello Pete,
Thanks for your"Advice". If you look back on page 7, I posted pictures of the wrenches that I have had cut out on a CNC Plamsa Cutting table. I left a long arm so I could tap a bit if needed but also to devise a clamp using an old spark plug and a cross bar to hold the wrench firmly onto the valve cap. If I can get it broken loose I will use the arm as a lever to spin out the caps. I know I can get them out, I just want to minimize any damage during the removal process.
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:27 am

Pete,
When you removed your valve caps, did you use heat, did you use simply easy torque or did you use a nudge from an impact gun to shake them loose?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:29 pm

Straight torque. Brass plugs will not rust into the cylinder jugs. Cheers Pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:10 pm

I have two different sets of jugs that need some care and attention. One has brass plugs and the second set has cast caps. I am more worried about that set that the brass ones. Thanks for your "advice"......
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:21 am

Pardon me, I was not real clear with the description of the cap types I am dealing with on my jugs. One set of jugs uses cast brass caps and the second set of jugs uses the cast iron variety of caps. Can you offer any "advice" on where to get new duplicate valve caps made?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:54 am

I am still looking for a "TIP" or "ADVICE" on a good Foundry that could make the valve cage caps in Brass. What experience have you had?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:57 am

I would like ot get a reference to a source for Investment type castings as the finish quality will be much better with less hand work.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:56 pm

I am posting this appeal for a few ideas in the form of "Tips" and "Advice" as it relates to what finish should be used on the red oak coil box I built. Following will be a few pictures to show you what I have. This box is patterned after a typical coil box but I built it dimensionally correct to allow fitment of Model T Ford Brass Top Coils. This box will be used, later, on an early two cylinder Cleveland rear entrance project I have lurking in the back. The Locomobile, of the 1909 vintage does not use this type coil box. Please evaluate and consider posting your learning/experience with exposed wood finishes on the early cars.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:57 pm

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:04 pm

Al you are quite the wood worker,very nice. Decide if you wish to stain the box a particular shade then use modern clear coat two part paint it will last a lifetime cheers pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Hello Pete,
Thanks for the idea on finish. Have you ever used Spar Varnish? Several others have suggested the use of a good grade Spar Varnish, over a conditioned treated surface and after the specific stain is applied.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:25 pm

No I have not used spar varnish. Pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:48 am

More "Tips" and "Advice" requested.
Has anyone hear heard of the term "Whiskering" as it relates to finishing wood? I will wait for a response or two before I share what I think I have learned.
Al

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