Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:38 pm

Al I used 4140 which is a very good all round tool steel. You require a steel that is strong and tuff but not hard and brittle. I use 4140 for hub bolts and King pins which then get heat treated and ground,same with shackle bolts. Very nice to machine and get nice threads without any tears on the flutes. Cheers Pete. PS remember torque all hardware to a half turn before it breaks LOL

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:05 pm

Hello Pete,
Thanks for the note. I have a little 6'3" 300 lb younger brother that I had to keep in short open end wrenches when we used to mechanic together as he would bust off every bolt he snugged up thinking that just one more pull would be better, just before he heard the snap! grrrrr
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:07 pm

Oh yes, all the new shackle bolt hardware I built was machined out of 4140L. As you say, tough but not brittle and it does machine OK unless you run it hot!
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:44 pm

I have purchased a new 10L sonic cleaner and need to use it on a couple of parts and carburetors. I am after some "Tips" or "Advice" on what is a good concoction to use as a cleaning medium. I may just use simple dish soap or laundry detergent.
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by F12MAC » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:33 am

AL please give us a report on how it works,will be very interested. Cheers pete

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:18 pm

I am after more "Tips" and "Advice". This request is for the proper methodology for soaking wood wheels in Linseed oil with the intent for them to swell up and tighten up prior to prep work and final paint. (Please see wheel pictures on page 9 of this thread). Should I be using "boiled" linseed oil? Should the oil be heated or does that matter? How long to soak the wheels submerged in the linseed oil? How long should I let the wheels dry, after soaking, before any finish work is attempted? Do you have any experience with this method of tightening wheels please feel free to respond.
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by jeff deringer » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:46 am

alsfarms wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:18 pm
I am after more "Tips" and "Advice". This request is for the proper methodology for soaking wood wheels in Linseed oil with the intent for them to swell up and tighten up prior to prep work and final paint. (Please see wheel pictures on page 9 of this thread). Should I be using "boiled" linseed oil? Should the oil be heated or does that matter? How long to soak the wheels submerged in the linseed oil? How long should I let the wheels dry, after soaking, before any finish work is attempted? Do you have any experience with this method of tightening wheels please feel free to respond.
Al
My opinion would be that if they are loose enough that you are considering that, and you intend to drive the car much, you should have new wheels made. I think the linseed thing is an old car guys tale about how they "used to do it". Your pics show spaces in between the spokes. A fellow named Lynn Kissel posted on this site I think a method of filling the cracks with a high strength epoxy called "Git Rot". To me, that would be a better solution than the linseed oil thing. But hey, that's just my $.02 so take it at face value, which of course is two cents. Good luck!

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Hello Jeff,
Thanks for your response and input. The dark line/small shrink gap is only showing on a couple of spokes. I am not sure I have room to even try using shim material symmetrically are the wheel center. I sense or feel no looseness. These wheels are with new wood that likely have shrunk just a bit since being built. I have ridden in a car that creaked like an old rocking chair and I DO NOT want that, (loose wheel spokes). Any other thoughts, tops, advice or experience?
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:10 am

As I ask for any "Tips" and "Advice" regarding a Boiled Linseed oil soak, it occurs to me that many Model T guys deal with this dried out spoked wheel condition. Are any of you, that read this posting, Model T guys with experience with dry wooden fello wheels. Please share your experience and to what point soaking in Linseed Oil is simply not enough. At that point, I suppose if the wood is still solid, the wheel can be disassembled and shims installed that will tighten up the wheel. Comment if you can. These Locomobile wheels have all new wood installed as the old original wheels were absolutely SHOT. I will try to post a picture of the original factory wheels as I kept one just for history sake. Your experience is appreciated.
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:58 am

For fun, here is a picture of one of the factory original Locomobile rear wheels from my car. Not even a good long soak in Boiled Linseed oil was enough to save them. We all start somewhere with our old cars! The new wheels are terrific!
Al
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:38 am

OK, here is a picture of the original steering column assembly, including the steering wheel and control quadrant. Study the picture closely and you will note the hard rubber steering wheel and it does need some help. I am after "Tips" and "Advice" on the best method for a good quality repair/restoration of the hard rubber steering wheel rim. I would like to attempt a home restoration of this piece. I am thinking that I could take a good silicone pattern of a good section of the wheel and then move the pattern around to an area that needs repair and fill with a modern hard rubber substitute and pour it full. I envision the repair being very satisfactory when finished and repainted. What are the thoughts among this group of automobile restorers?
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:41 am

Here is a view of the same steering wheel from the bottom.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:43 am

And another picture of taken from the bottom.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:45 am

Last picture that shows the "rib" detail of the wheel rim that needs to be replicated.
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:58 pm

Has anyone here heard a Locomobile Model L run with an open cutout? Here is a "Tip" for you as to what you would hear. Enjoy the true sound of a vintage Locomobile
Al

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by sknate » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:57 pm

What about the "yellowpages" for custom gaskets? https://www.iqsdirectory.com/gaskets/
Sometimes it is good to have a local connection for such things but there is a way to see who makes em locally.. looks like the top right part there is a way to change to the state you are in..

Had a chuckle in the section about the "history of gaskets"
started being used in around 1820 and sure are important to us now!

Cheers!

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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:33 am

Here is an updated re-posting of some postings that were lost in the last computer crash event. This posting will be a summary of "Tip" "Advice" relating to parts cleaning. I have purchased and did a trial on the use of an Ultrasonic Cleaner. I will re-post the before picture and the after picture and follow up with an after after picture showing the end product of sandblasting.
Picture 1 (Torque Spring Assembly as received)
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:35 am

Picture 2 (after 4 hours in an Ultrasonic Cleaner)
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:36 am

Picture 3 (after some love shown by my Sandblaster)
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Re: Rebuild Improvements for Reliability 1909 Locomobile

Post by alsfarms » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:40 am

Picture 4 (the other side showing how nice sandblasting cleans out rust pits, I am now ready to open this piece up, repair as needed and duplicate parts as needed) More later.....
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